We Don't Need Fake project

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Comment by SalAzad on February 25, 2009 at 10:10pm

Thx for all explaination guys!!!! So let us be real and create the original !!!!! Yeah!

Comment by JC-one on February 25, 2009 at 8:10am

lmao....is this serious?...come on.....why would anyone take this offensive to begin with?
I know one things for sure, if I'm gonna take it personal, I'd be honored.....obviously there's something going on out there thats making a threat to someone or a certain group.

when it comes down to it, at the end of the day that's who you are....right?

Comment by SHIN on February 24, 2009 at 6:31am

I heard people talking about this project.
The word "WE DON'T NEED FAKE" has two very important meaning for me.

I don't blame people who make a customize or create their own paper toy,
Instead, I'd like to support them because it's a first step to be a paper toy creator.

One is that the message is to myself.
I always ask myself "Am I FAKE?" in my mind.
Off course I don't want to accept the question,
so I do more efforts and try to make more cool designs.
If I was told ”SHIN is not an artist”, I'll do much more efforts because it's one of my motivation.

Two is that I can't forgive the people whom I call "FAKE".
Paper toy is easy to reuse, but the copyrights should be protected.
These are in my case as example:
*A person who sell my template on ebay (he masquerades as me)
*A person who steal my template pattern and distributed it without my permission.
*A person who collect my template pdf files and upload them on internet without my permission.
*A person who remake my paper toys and sell/distributed them.
To support the new vibes and new comers (young paper toy creators),
we should blame the unkind people.

As you are saying, the message often misleads to a negative message,
it's lack of my explanation.
If you feel the message is negative, we make more nice paper toys and make the negative positive!


Excuse me my poor English.

P.S> mckibillo, I don't know you use two name.
I misunderstood because the name is on your template "by mckibillo".
I correct it soon, sorry....

Comment by mckibillo on February 23, 2009 at 9:47pm

I thought this might happen… hey Harlan, I'm one of those "other" guys. I'm not sure why Shin listed me as mckibillo (which is my illustration tag) and not as NaniBird, which would've made more sense for this project.

When Shin first asked me to participate, I was both a bit shocked and flattered. Shocked that he was even aware of my work and flattered because, well, he's Shin, and if the world of urban papercraft has a rockstar, he's it. I was a bit hesitant though, to even participate in the project, because, while I do agree with what I thought/think to be real message is, pursue your own creativity, I didn't really think I was qualified enough to be making that statement… I really consider myself to be a relative newbie to the game. But, I was flattered enough that someone who's work I greatly respect asked me to join. Hard to say no…

As far as the message behind the project, I don't think it's about chastising people who customize or skin existing templates. After all, I've explicitly put out NaniBird to be a kind of design platform that interested folk can work on. It's just really fun and exciting to see the various ways different people can approach the same shape, the different directions it can go. I want people to make the designs their own, to "own" that design. But were I draw the line is if someone was to claim the NaniBird shape as their own.

I really think the message, at least the way I understood it, the way I wanted to convey it, is to pursue your own path. But for me, the big appeal of papercrafting is the making, the building process, so that's why my tag for this project is "Each One Hand Made". What you build you kind of own. It's the thing I most like about papercrafting. Building it is better than buying it.

Comment by Tetsuya on February 23, 2009 at 7:11pm

It is difficult to convey a message in English for me.
I think that this project is declaration to create my work seriously.
Because to me, this theme is connected to the question of whether my work is REAL or FAKE. I can't judge it. You will judge this answer from my works.

Comment by Harlancore on February 23, 2009 at 6:11pm

Here's a story for the kids!

I bet most artists have a sketchbook full of illustrations of their favorite superhero.

Was it Spiderman or Astroboy for you? Or maybe Spawn? For me, it was many different ones, my favorite characters to copy, err, redraw, was The Uncanny X-men. I wanted to be John Byrne or Dave Cockrum. At least until I picked up The New Mutants, and saw Bill Sienkiewicz's work. That was the early eighties. I was in 5th grade at the time. A young boy with very little world experience.

Not a whole lot of 15 year olds have sponsors or have any money really. But they do have heroes, fictional ones and real ones.

If they chose their heroes well, they will learn something useful.

Maybe even continue the traditions that the heroes began.

This is common knowledge right?

It is my personal belief that an artist is not allowed to use the word "original" when describing his own work.

Or the word "creative".

That's a word the audience is allowed to use though...

If you show graffiti art to the untrained eye, it all looks the same.

So does anime.

Personally, I think all Nikes look the same. I can't tell the difference between an Air Jordan and a shoe by Puma, for example. But that's just me, a minority in one category, but a majority in others.

I like Japanese video games, above and beyond other forms of entertainment. In other words, if I made a list, Japanese video games would be number one. Role playing games specifically, as thats all I play. Halo bores me to tears, but I am aware someone out there likes it, so I don't see the point of going to war against it.

In fact, everything you think is cool looks and sounds the same to a person who could care less about your interests.

It's sad we live on a planet where people do steal other people's ideas and the creators go uncredited and never see a cent from their hard work. Welcome to EARTH!

It's even sadder that it's hard for people to tell the difference between theft and simultaneous inspiration. The only way to tell I imagine would be a complete familiarity with both artist's work. But honestly I am not sure, so I never jump to conclusions. Or at least I try not to.

Maybe you can tell, because you're cool and have studied art for years.

And you know who all the best artists are, they are your favorites, of course.

But, what about the untrained eye? Someone with zero favorite artists?

I always love seeing Ben's work on his own toy. Plus the X-acto blade in your model Matt, nice touch

You two are not just two awesome papercrafters, you are two of my favorite artists. Seriously. I love love love Matt's retro-cartoon inspired/almost kricfalusi-esque (read: retro-cartoon inspired) characters and how he can come up with new and intersting shapes on a seemingly regular basis, and Ben has a simple vector graphic style that makes my eyes light up everytime I see something of his I hadn't seen before. Like Tado. or Tokidoki. Or Harlancore.

Of course I like Shin. Everyone does. I don't know the man, but I do like seeing the man's work. I bet it was easy putting the WEDONTNEEDFAKE logo all over an existing model though. Not saying thats a bad thing, just saying I expected more. I have first hand experience with how easy it is to copy and paste and use the align tools in illustrator, I do it all the time, and my anticipation increased after clicking the back and forward button 87 times and finally getting his model to appear. (oh no! did I just rip on Shin? hehe, no one will like me now, boo hoo, but I am just kidding! I am still anxiously waiting for the third piece to his GIANT ROBOT magazine model! I couldn't care less about stupid f'n SCIONS, but dang, that model was super super cool!)

I have seen Sjors brickboy, but I am not sure I have seen one he drew on.

Who are those other people? That gator sures looks cool, though. KEEP REAL ART. Maybe he meant something a little different, like "keep art real" maybe? Is WEDONTNEEDFAKE some kinda engrish, I suddenly thought upon seeing that...then I laughed and thought about how language is awesome!

I am an obsessive fanboy, definitely. I don't pretend to play video games and watch anime and read comics. I actually do these things, just like other artists spray paint blocky 3-dimensional multicolored letters on walls, or tie their gundam-looking tennis shoes in interesting ways, or whatever.

But am I an artist? Well, I take various types of canvas or surfaces sometimes and a utensil and begin scribbling shapes that I, and occasionally others, find attractive, so I would say yes, I am an artist. I don't pretend to draw or paint.

Well then what is art?

It's what the canvas or surface becomes after the artist has scribbled all over it.

What is a canvas?

Err, you are on your own with one, I am still learning the definition of the word myself.

Is my art original or creative?

Like I said above, that is not up to me to decide, I just create the work.

The audience gets to decide what it's called or how it's described.

And boy do I love creating the work!

So let's get back to cutting out more paper. After we scribble all over it, of course. ^^

Oh, and I do LOVE graffiti art. I really really do. But I am not an untrained eye.

KIDS! BE YOURSELF TO YOUR TRUE! ;)

(dammit! how did this post get here?)

xxxooo

Comment by Methuup da Funky One on February 23, 2009 at 9:00am

I never read anything negative in their statement, but now all I see is Matt defending himself.
So I'd like to know what the other participants of the project think of the comments.

Comment by Harold on February 23, 2009 at 7:59am

hm... i think i should quit paper crafting

Comment by SalAzad on February 22, 2009 at 8:53pm

i believe, all in the project have positive messages, but i not agree with the tagline, just seem who not involve in the project are "fake" or "not real"...

so many newbies in papertoys here (including myself) and we need huge support from you guys... i believe all of member in this community (and other papertoy forum) want to be strong as other toys community (vinyl toys and other )... so that why we stick together here...

just feelin sad... but it's ok... i still believe "we don't need fake!" is positive message..

Comment by Mystery Action on February 22, 2009 at 1:30pm

I'm a fan of all of you guys (I'm still waiting for my amazoned copy of Urban papercraft with baited breath!) but I don't think this website makes your message as clear as your post here, despite containing the usual brilliant work we have come to expect of you :)

The designs themselves have very positive messages- as for the site, I'm glad imitative learning is still allowed! but telling fans not to 'be a fake of someone' and to 'respect their own originality' sounds like a bit like a substitute for for telling other designers 'Make our toys but Don't steal our ideas!'

Hope this is seen as intended, constructive criticism from someone who admires Matt and all the artists involved.

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